Jul 21, 2022·edited Jul 22, 2022Liked by The Framers
In general, I believe that this amendment is well-crafted. It facilitates the creation of a network of punishments and rewards that actively incentivize corporations to do better. It also disincentivizes corporations from moving overseas through tariffs.
I might, however, recommend that certain actions within the amendment be linked together. For example, if congress imposes a carbon tax on corporations but then fails to follow through on imposing the corresponding tariffs that protect from overseas competition. So any imposition of a tax in section 3 must be accompanied by the simultaneous imposition of a tariff. Otherwise, I fear the whole thing would fall apart into a hopeless mess.
Yes! I believe we give Congress this power and encourage them to use it to do exactly this. Please see Proposed 36th Amendment (Amendment 9 of The Reconstitution), Section 3.
There's no shade of lipstick that's going to make this pig presentable. Corporations usually wield resources and influence people at scales that far exceed the capabilities of individuals. They also outlive people. Making corporations equivalent to people degrades humanity. If you don't understand that fundamental fact, I shudder to think what sort of misshapen creature you are constructing here.
Firstly, thank you so much for being an active contributor as we begin to scale into our "public launch" and "outreach for feedback" phase.
We'd love to better understand your position here. Our initial thought is that we may be saying similar things with different language. By no means are we suggesting that we made corporations "equivalent" to people. We also acknowledge that the law already does this in many respects -- mostly for the unfortunate sake of convenience in applying legal constructs to all possible parties involved in contracts. But we agree, this is inherently problematic for the exact reasons you are alluding to. In fact, that's a big piece of what we are trying to solve for here.
In much of our "solutioning", we tend to apply the principle of "transcend and include" -- both because it "smooths out" the bumpiness inherent in radical transformation, and because we believe there are generally "good things" that can be identified in every phase of historical growth and development, and that we would be remiss not to carry those along to the next phase (even while we discard the dysfunctional elements). Not to be too cliché, but we try to avoid "throwing the baby out with the bathwater".
That said, we're very curious to learn more about your perspective here. Is it simply to get rid of the concept of corporations altogether? Or did you have something else in mind?
We look forward to engaging with you further on this! Also note, we will be holding live Constitutional Conversations on each of the topics we've been posting about (in Twitter Spaces, Instagram Live, TikTok Live, and Clubhouse simultaneously) to have real-time dialogue. We hope you'll join us as soon as we announce dates for those in the coming weeks.
In general, I believe that this amendment is well-crafted. It facilitates the creation of a network of punishments and rewards that actively incentivize corporations to do better. It also disincentivizes corporations from moving overseas through tariffs.
I might, however, recommend that certain actions within the amendment be linked together. For example, if congress imposes a carbon tax on corporations but then fails to follow through on imposing the corresponding tariffs that protect from overseas competition. So any imposition of a tax in section 3 must be accompanied by the simultaneous imposition of a tariff. Otherwise, I fear the whole thing would fall apart into a hopeless mess.
Yes! I believe we give Congress this power and encourage them to use it to do exactly this. Please see Proposed 36th Amendment (Amendment 9 of The Reconstitution), Section 3.
There's no shade of lipstick that's going to make this pig presentable. Corporations usually wield resources and influence people at scales that far exceed the capabilities of individuals. They also outlive people. Making corporations equivalent to people degrades humanity. If you don't understand that fundamental fact, I shudder to think what sort of misshapen creature you are constructing here.
Hi Lorraine!
Firstly, thank you so much for being an active contributor as we begin to scale into our "public launch" and "outreach for feedback" phase.
We'd love to better understand your position here. Our initial thought is that we may be saying similar things with different language. By no means are we suggesting that we made corporations "equivalent" to people. We also acknowledge that the law already does this in many respects -- mostly for the unfortunate sake of convenience in applying legal constructs to all possible parties involved in contracts. But we agree, this is inherently problematic for the exact reasons you are alluding to. In fact, that's a big piece of what we are trying to solve for here.
In much of our "solutioning", we tend to apply the principle of "transcend and include" -- both because it "smooths out" the bumpiness inherent in radical transformation, and because we believe there are generally "good things" that can be identified in every phase of historical growth and development, and that we would be remiss not to carry those along to the next phase (even while we discard the dysfunctional elements). Not to be too cliché, but we try to avoid "throwing the baby out with the bathwater".
That said, we're very curious to learn more about your perspective here. Is it simply to get rid of the concept of corporations altogether? Or did you have something else in mind?
We look forward to engaging with you further on this! Also note, we will be holding live Constitutional Conversations on each of the topics we've been posting about (in Twitter Spaces, Instagram Live, TikTok Live, and Clubhouse simultaneously) to have real-time dialogue. We hope you'll join us as soon as we announce dates for those in the coming weeks.
Gratefully,
The Framers of The Reconstitution